perhaps my 2009 E60 520D was so noisy and rough sounding l never noticed a difference to be fair to the car that wasn't the case it was never really rough or noisy it was definitely a diesel but it was a very good car. and whilst some things may have changed during regen to give indicators that it was in progress l never noticed. l never monitored fuel consumption and the rough and nosily tones of ken Bruce drowned out the rough and noisy tones of the N47
Ken Bruce is good for masking all sorts of noise - rattles and squeaks - suited my old Freelanders well. I'm aware of regens in the F30 in normal use on the road only because of the coolant temperature increase. If I stop in the middle of a regen, I'm aware of a burning smell when I step out of the car.
On my G30 ive never noticed it doing a regen The only possible clue is that on occasions after a decent drive the cooling fan runs on for a few mins after the ignition is turned off. I am told its cooling stuff down after a regen has taken place. Whether thats true or not ive no idea
That was the same dilemma I faced. When the 2-AT was decided on over the second and third choices of the next car to buy, the ones with the required spec just happened to be diesel. This narrowed it down to two cars from an available pool of hundreds on Autotrader etc, but they just didn't feel as though they were the right one (as much as you can tell from pictures). When ours subsequently popped up on the auc site, we went the same morning and bought it, the colour & interior combo felt 'right'. It also had more options than you could ever think anyone would sensibly pick. I even thought whilst sitting in it at the garage, if diesel was the wrong choice given my 5 mile each-way commute. However, I never drive less than that, not 200 yards to the shop, switching off when stone cold all the time etc. I even only get fuel when it already warm at the end of the last journey, not the start of the next one. In hindsight it probably wrong to buy diesel, but the other choice was to settle for a wrong spec petrol that I would end up hating. If in the future it needs a dpf, then so be it. Out of my neighbours and friends, none have had any issues with their modern diesels apart from one remapped (hmm..) Mondeo, its dpf failed, albeit at 158k. PS) more hindsight.....wish I'd not got obsessed with adaptive cc....but I will do a topic on that.
here is my thoughts on the petrol versus diesel thing and my main worry is about the the residuals of a new diesel car At some point the main dealers are going to become scared of diesel motors. the other day l posted on a thread stating that all the dealer ordered stock where l go for servicing were now mainly petrol or hybrid cars all the bread and butter cars for that dealer including all three and five series with delivery mileage or coming soon where petrol or hybrid. you had to go up to a 730D to fnd the first diesel car and they had X5 and X6 in diesel as well so if go in today and order a 530D and drop fifty grand on that car and then in three years time take it back and look to trade it in how much will the dealer give me l know none of have a crystal ball so we cant answer that question. but the way that dealers are moving towards petrol now they will not want to offer strong money on a second hand diesel saying nobody is buying diesel any more yes diesel cars will still be selling on the non franchised dealers car lots and on the private market but not many private buyers are prepared to take a punt on a twenty grand car from a private seller that comes with little or no back up and no warranty. l think that main dealers are going to be out of the diesel car market sooner rather than later now lets talk numbers here my dirty diesel used to return 39-40 MPG all day everyday in a combined cycle my new car at present is sat at 24 MPG on the onboard computer but the car has not really had any use on long runs so mostly what could be considered around town. so one car burns a gallon of fuel to do 40 miles and the other car burns around 1.7 gallons to cover the same distance so which car is better for the environment ?
I believe if we are honest about it, no ICE is good for the environment, add in EV while we are about it. Less mileage and making cars last longer, will surely make the most impact for a better environment. Peter
Personally, I have serious concerns about EVs and how green they really are. What I mean by that is with respect to their carbon footprint including manufacture and decommissioning. I am also unsure about the long term ownership and what happens to the batteries when they are past their best. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
l do think full electric cars will make car ownership a lot more expensive and the usable life of the vehicle will become a lot shorter these are just pie in the sky figures but take a Tesla model 3 at around forty grand for a poverty spec entry level car that comes with an eight year or 100,000 warranty on the battery and the drivetrain so eight years down the line the car is on to its third owner fallen out of the dealer network and the battery fails so you have a five to eight grand car and a bill for seventeen to eighteen grand for new battery packs so at only eight years old you could have a car that could cost three times its value to repair what will happen to that car?
I think EVs are going to destroy the viability of running and older vehicle, my 520d is 14 years old and has covered 140K, our old 320d is 20 years old and has covered 200k (with another owner now) - these EVs look like they are going to be scrap when they are less than 10 years old, basically the lifespan of the vehicle will be as long as the battery pack is usable..realistically the cost of a replacement battery will write most of them off when they are 6-7 years old as it'll probably exceed the value of the vehicle. That doesn't seem very green to me...
Excellent comment, and should be put to our Prime Minister, his interfering floozy and that Greta Whatsername.
They already are Mach - Our recently purchased (Auc) four year old 218d with only 19000 miles & £8K of options when new, was not priced too dissimilarly to 40000+ mile petrols with a more standard spec. Given the fact the diesels also cost more when new, the previous owner must have suffered a huge loss at px time.....
l was pleasantly surprised in December when l traded my 2015 530D 5GT. the car was nearing six years old 45k on the clock and had a service warning for front brakes in 500 miles and would need a six year service at the end of January and MOT in mid march so needed some work before the dealer could sell it as approved used but they still gave me very near top book for trade in sight unseen brakes done service carried out and a fresh MOT and they sold it last month with a mark up of £2750.00 less what they spent on pre delivery prep so all in all l was fairly happy with the deal
Yes, very good points. Ultimately this will end up penalising the less well off. Think about how many sub £2,000 cars are currently on the road. What will these people drive in future? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
An excellent point. We live in what is termed an expensive little village in middle Oxfordshire, where owning a house (even a very small one) is very very costly to the younger families. Most of the cars they drive are sub £2,000 and the public transport (buses) were withdrawn around 2 years ago.
That's also true here in suburban Manchester where I am, most of the houses are owner occupied and mortgaged to the hilt, nearly every car in our little avenue is at least ten years old, next door has an 02 Corsa the other side a 12 Peugeot etc. The exception out of 30 houses is one chap next door-but-two who has a Seat Ibiza on a pcp. Even the PC opposite has recently upgraded to an 11 reg Civic.
I don't think that you will be able to buy much for £2000 in a few years. It was only a few short ago you could get a banger with a years MOT for £500 and something half decent for £2k, but now it is possible to spend £2k for a banger. Looking at car values the rule of thumb was that a 10 year old car with 100,000 miles would be worth around 10% of the new price, unless it was a rare of desireable model. But that has gone out of the window.