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    Its been a while since i posted as we sold the 520 E61 earlier this year. With job changes and longer distances we are travelling though, we are looking again at getting another diesel BMW. This time the smaller 1 series as we don't need the space as much as we did when we had the E61.

    I am quite confused about the terminology used to describe the engine options by the dealers. For example, what does:

    'BMW 1 SERIES 1.6 114d Sport Sports Hatch 5dr' mean?? Is it a 1.6 or a 1.4? The details on the ad I am looking at say it is a 1598cc engine, so what is the significance of the 114d part of the description? Is it a de-tuned 1.6?

    Also, any advice on the engine to go for would be welcome. We want something that will swallow up 600 motorway miles + per week as effortlessly as possible. I had been holding out for a manual 120d as we were willing to trade a little of the economy for a little more 'fun', but would the 1.6 114d - whatever that really means disappoint given the intended motorway use? Age is less important to me than condition although the post facelift model would be nice if possible as i believe it is a little larger(?), but I am happy to take advice on this if anyone can offer it!
     
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    From my understanding the latest 116d has the 3-cylinder 1496cc engine. BMW don't list a 114d on their UK site. Is this a brand new model?

    Peter
     
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    Hi Peter, thanks for the reply. No, its a 2013 model, so I don't think it is the 3-cylinder model. The advert is here:

    http://www.tittyhomotorcompany.co.u...ts-hatch-5dr-startstop-raunds-201609207930136

    I'm being picky about who I buy from as I have been stung by traders before, but we have had a car from this garage previously (the last 5 series) without any issue at all (with the car or the sale), hence, if the engine was good on this one I am tempted by it despite it being smaller than I initially wanted.
     
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    Likely a BMW F20 114d - engine is the N47D16 - which is 1598cc.

    Produced from 2012 to 2014.

    BMW long since ceased to have numbers that consistently directly relate to engine capacity.

    They tend to have a set engine size and various states of tune.
     
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    So, the one linked to in the ad above is advertised with 98bhp - what are your thoughts on whether this would be underpowered?
     
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    Having been the owner of an F20 118d which was a detuned 2l and having driven my Uncle's 120d which is the full fat version, I'd say the 120d is hard to ignore as a superb all rounder. The 118d was good but the 120d is better. Effortless and still returns 55mpg on a motorway cruise.

    His is a 2012 plate and with the ZF autobox. Can be had for <£20k as an AUC from BMW.
     
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    I wouldn't like to be doing 600+ miles a week with 98hp when only a little more money could/should get me more horses and thus a more relaxed journey.

    I'd be going for the version with the 1995cc N47 C2OU1 engine which gives 143hp

    But it all depends what you are used to and changing from - you'd really need to have a test drive of both.

    I would also be going for the auto version as you can have more control than with a manual - especially in a diesel.

    As Spuffington says - the ZF auto-box is good.

    And by the way - can there really be a dealer called 'Titty Ho' ?
     
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    Haha - yep they are on Titty Ho Road!

    You posted at the same time as my last one. Perhaps we should re-think the auto aspect then. I find them more difficult to control in winter conditions than a manual with a clutch - to be honest, that was my main thinking with the manual part (but then we may just leave the BM on the drive in the ice and use the land rovers instead - unfortunately that means long motorway journeys in a vehicle that has about 1/3 the economy of the BMW!)
     
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    Massive difference in both build quality and ride over the earlier version. The E87 had a rock solid ride and questionable plastics and build quality. Our F20, however, felt like a really grown up car in a pint size body.

    Also the E87 used the old 6sp ZF box which is clunky when compared with the 8sp unit, which not only ensures you're pretty much in the right gear all the time (almost telepathically) but very, very smooth in operation. MPG benefits are greater too. I always felt the manual was under geared so that it was always revving too high on the motorway for best mpg. It never matched my Uncle's 120d with the auto for fuel consumption.

    Also avoid xDrive models which have higher tax costs due to the weight and drain of the transmissions.
     
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    What you want sir is a cheap set of winter wheels for the BMW and sell your Land Rovers!

    My 118d on 16" steelies with ContiWinterContact TS830 (whole set for <£600 from mrwinterwheels) made the 1er very capable indeed. Never got stuck, only limitation was the spoiler height which limits fording & deep snow capability.

    If you're wanting manual in snow, stick an auto in manual / tiptronic mode and DSC off. No problem.
     
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    Very interesting comment about LandRovers.

    A few years ago I had the opportunity of picking up a cheap set of wheels - they had worn, mismatched, but proper 'snowflake on the mountain logo' winter tyres on and I thought I would give them a go - just to see what all the fuss was about.

    As a result I sold my LandRover which up till then I had considered essential for winter in rural Aberdeenshire and invested in a new set of winter tyres for the BMW.

    The only limiting feature is the depth of snow and the ground clearance.

    When the snow is deep the front spoiler becomes a mini snow-plough - but I'd be staying home on those days which I call 'Unimog Time'.

    There is NOT a grip problem in snow with a BMW on Winter tyres.
     
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    Thanks - that's really good info to know about the winter tyres and answers a question I was going to ask. That Mrwinterwheels site is useful too and the prices are a lot cheaper than i was expecting!

    My Land Rovers wont be going anywhere (well, my 110 wont anyway, the other halfs disco might not stay with us as long!), but as you will know from owning one, its always useful to have a spare car when you own a landy! I run the 110 on veg oil so its cheaper than running on diesel, but, even with its overdrive and comfy range rover seats fitted, its still not really the car for frequent long motorway trips where you just want to eat up the miles quickly and quietly. Hence the search for the 1 series.
     
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    Reb for motorway work i agree with Spuffman and Singvogel. That engine would be a little underpowered for my liking. A 120d or thereabouts would return the same or perhaps better MPG vs the smaller one on the motorway due to having an easier job. Also much more comfortable for you the driver.
     
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    Cool. You've all persuaded me to hang on and search a bit longer! Thanks!
     
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    Keep us updated. We've got a good team on here. Spuff knows his 1 series onions and then when you find a specific car we have our own private detective Slim Boy Fat - who will ascertain that the incorrect oil was put in on the second service by scouring the service book for titbits.
     
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    In fact I'm sure Slim will post some links as he is also our resident used car broker.:)
     
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    Slim, are these allegations true? :cautious: :( :D
     
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    Baseless rumours.......:whistle: :p
     
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