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    Gents, my car is at Lepsons this week having the wheels refurbished, next door to Lepsons is KDS detailing and they are going to give my wheels a Gtechnic ceramic coating. I was just looking at their website and was thinking of coating the whole car, what do you guys think - £595 seem ok? Its £200 for the wheels only otherwise.

    https://www.kdskeltec.co.uk/price-menu/protection-detail-packages/g-techniq
     
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    My tuppence worth

    No disputing ceramic coatings are good, however the coating is only as good as the preparation applied underneath
    I’ve spent countless hours reading and rereading, ultimately it comes down easier maintenance washes
    Where I stumble and don’t want an answer, nor side track your thread, is why the need for the Annual top up and care products after washing.......

    If your selling is it worth saving the cost and spending on the new car!
     
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    I'm struggling with that bit Sean. Every time I look at something new it just doesn't seem as good as my GT and its fantastic spec.
    I may keep it for a bit and just trying to revamp some love for it, plus it will be in tip top condition should I sell.
    Its only done 33k and has one, yes one, stone chip.
     
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    I hear you
    And it’s almost as if your talking very loudly....
    I have similar thoughts & desires, knowing all too well that when the newcar honeymoon is over, I’ll find myself looking for the next, when in reality there’s nothing wrong with the existing car!
    I was going to break into the rendition “You only live once” though I’m feeling older & wiser, then back to will I won’t I,
    A good wash, spit and polish does bring back the lust!
     
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    I've thought about ceramic coating my 330d, but never got around to getting it done (the nearest Gtechniq centre is about 30 miles away). I asked about it at the dealership where I purchased my car and they said that if I did decide to get the treatment, not to go near a street car wash. Apparently some of the harsh chemicals they use will strip the coating off in seconds. You'll end up with a nice clean car and several hundred pounds worth of ceramic coating on the floor. Maybe this is not the case for all types of treatment. Some must be more durable than others?

    That did put me off somewhat. Not that I use cheap car washes, I don't. :D
     
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    I always wash the car myself with snowfoam and Karcher wash/wax. It is in very good shape and I want to keep it that way, but its a lot of money this ceramic stuff!
     
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    @Harry will probably be along soon - he has experience of coatings.
     
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    They must do any paint correction before they apply any coating.

    There are various products by Gtechniq for the body, upto CS Ultra, I have CSL on my car, and had c1 on my previous car.
    They all should have EXOv4 over the top to enhance the finish and make it even more hydrophobic.

    I haven't experienced other makes of coating, but on a big car it makes cleaning it a much quicker event, as you just wash and dry, no polishing/waxing etc

    My wheels look brand new, as they did on my old car after 3 years and 40k miles or so.
    Car still gets dirty, it doesn't stop dirt staying on the car.

    I paid £800+vat on my car For CS Light, all wheels, brake calipers, glass and all the interior. Not cheap, but worth it to me.

    I am have considering it on the MR2, but might end up with a product that's available to general public and not just accredited detailers.


    If you want to see some other cars done, look at Azure car detailing on Facebook.
     
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    Are you saying they want an additional £200 to apply C5 to the wheels ?
    They shouldn't, I had one wheel refurbed, gave a bottle of C5 to the company and they applied it for me at no extra cost.
     
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    I had a quick look at that link and it doesn't appear to include any correction work. If it doesn't need it, that's good, but not many cars are in such condition not to benefit from it and as snrbrtsn says, the finished job largely depends on the prep and finish before the coating is applied.
    For a gtechnic protection detail that price isn't bad. If you are happy with the finish and want to protect it, gtechniq are one of the best coatings out there IMHO
     
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    £200 +VAT just to do the wheels, yes.
     
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    Honestly I think if you can get the wheels off one at a time, you could do C5 wheel armour yourself.
    I would certainly be having a go, I wouldn't pay anyone £200 to wipe a liquid over my wheels and off again whilst they already had the wheels off, your talking an hour tops if the wheels are already off.


    Even new cars need correction work, so if they are not doing several stages of polishing to body work then they are not really doing what they should. If they put a ceramic coating over swirl marks and the like, then they are on there for good. - BTW a roadside hand car wash did nothing to my C1 on my old car, although prob only did twice a year during winter, I very much doubt it would do anything to a hard ceramic like the CSL I have now.

    Have a look at wheeler dealers from last week, a Corvette, they had it coated and look how much paint correction the detailer did prior to the coating. Its so important.
     
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    I would say save your money and same for the £200,00 to add C5 to the wheels, when i had my wheels refurbished i gave them two coats of Gyeon Q2 Rim Coating cost £24.00 for the product and a bit of time to apply so they are charging a lot of money for coating wheels that they dont have to do anything to

    if you took your car in for ceramic coating on the wheels they would have to remove the wheels deep clean them polish them and then coat them with C5 wheel armour at £23.00 for 15ml to do one coat or £43.00 for 30mll which will do two coats, lepson are doing all the hard work and the detailer is charging a lot of money for a job that will take him an hour to do as he doesn't have to do any wheel prep

    I have ceramic on my car and it was done the week i bought the car it was taken in for a week and deep cleaned then it was machine polished to remove defects and then two coats of ceramic were applied, the coating on my car is now two and a half years in and is near the end of its useful life as the protection is not as good as it was when first applied, the car is going back in two months to have the same again deep clean machine polish and then ceramic reapplied to give another two / three years protection

    the package that they are offering they are saying

    so for your car that is three and a half years old you would have to spend £500.00 plus having paintwork correction and then £500.00 for the ceramic, i cant belive that a detailer is prepared to apply ceramic to a car without paint correction so the £500.00 seems like a price to hoick you in and then the drop the correction needed and the price doubles
     
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    I was quoted £2000 for full body decontamination ,buff polish and ceramic coat with a two year guarantee.They would need the car a full 7 days.

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    100% agree with what you say, if you are going to apply ceramic it is all about the prep, prep and then prep some more and then apply ceramic to seal in all the hard work

    as for aftercare i never put anything extra on the car other than shampoo and i use car pro reset or Gyeon Q²M Bathe Shampoo and that is it, so i snow foam for starters then contact wash and then pat dry with two KKD silverback drying towels

    the worse thing that you can do with ceramic is put anything on it so no quick detailers no waxes or other potions just a contact wash with a coating friendly shampoo like carpro reset, Gyeon Q²M Bathe or Gtechniq G wash dry and that is it, they say that reload or other ceramic top ups are like a sacrificial layer on top of the coating but in reality they are water based products with a very small amount of si02 in them and i dont think they add anything to the original coatings

    Ceramic is good for ease of maintenance and minimum care to keep the car looking its best, but it not the right thing for some people as they like to be more hands on with polishing waxing and topping up the shine on a regular basis
     
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    Crikey, that sounds a bit steep. :eek:

    I thought £800 to treat my 330d with Gtechniq was about the going rate.
     
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    the detailer that i use offers a package that comes in at around two grand and for that you get a full front end paint protection film and self healing ceramic coating, if the self heal ceramic is scratched you apply heat and the scratch disappears

    if i had a hundred thousand pound M5 or something in that league then dropping two grand on protection would seem worth while but it is a bit rich for me
     
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    a lot depends on what level you want to take it to on the paint of the MR2 from your post on the car you have done a fair bit of polishing work on the car and if you are happy with the finish you got then i would look at one of the easy to apply coatings that say they give six months plus protection but in reality they will probably last nine months to a year and they are fairly easy to reapply if you have an indoor space, i have been hearing good things about TAC Sytems moonlight and if i had a good clean indoor space that is what i would be putting on my car or Q² Can Coat pro is another one that is fairly easy to use and give good results when used as a stand alone coating
     
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    The paints pretty good now, but as its 25 years old I dont know just what its had done before or how thick the paint now is, so i couldn't go too aggressive. Theres some marks, but I just want to protect it from the sun. I will have a look at at theose when weathers better, now its decided not to start, plugs/lead/rotor arm/cap/coil no doubt.

    I am pretty OCD with clean and shiney, i was jetting my car at 7.15am this morning in thick fog :D

    Incidentally with my old car that had C1+exov3 I regularly finished with diluted C2 as my LSP which perhaps prolonged its life. Also a couple of times a years I used Gtechniqs own tar remover which gave it life and sheeting properties back.
     

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