Dashcams in Europe

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    Toying with the idea of getting one but it turns out they're illegal in Austria and many other EU countries have restrictions on their use. Fines in Austria for using one are bonkers, up to 10,000 euros apparently which is just ridiculous. Anybody run one and fallen foul?
     
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    This is a huge can of worms - not helped by the usual sensationalism of the UK press especially the Daily Express.

    I have front and rear cams and have used them for many years In Europe with no problems - but - I've never needed to use the footage to prove any wrongdoing of others, e.g. as part of an insurance claim etc, which is what many consider to be the main reason for having a dash-cam.

    I have not been anywhere near Portugal in recent years and would be wary to use a dash-cam there as they seem to have banned even the ownership of them, never mind using them.

    The problem in many countries including Germany and Austria is that according to their privacy laws citizens have the right to move around freely without being tracked or filmed.

    Having said that - our niece and her husband are both High Court judges in Vienna.

    She has just this minute replied to my question regarding dash-cams in Austria.

    Using a dash-cam is NOT illegal as long as:

    1. It's for your private use.
    2. You do not post clips on open social media showing identifiable people or vehicles.- i.e people's faces or vehicle registration plates.

    So basically It's what you do with the footage that matters - both niece and husband are sure that exceptions such as being involved in an accident or a traffic offence would be no problem - i.e. sharing the footage with police or your insurance company to prove your personal innocence/involvement etc.

    But - what can be a problem for example is seeing some piece of bad driving and then posting it on Youbook or Facetube with faces and/or number-plates not pixillated.

    As for me - I'll continue to use my dash-cams.


    "I was recording, for my personal pleasure only,
    my journeys through the picturesque scenery and mountains in your beautiful country,"
    So I plead "Not Guilty", your Worship.
    :driving:
     
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    Cheers sing, I had a funny feeling you might know the answer! I’m not completely sold on the idea of a dashcam, do you find it useful?
     
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    I've just fitted a Viofo A119 v3. It's a nice compact camera with high resolution (up to 1600P) and GPS tracking.

    I've never had one before, but you see so many stories about people giving false accounts of accidents after the event.
    If you don't happen to get an independent witness, then a dash cam may provide the video evidence needed.

    I have been careful to change the settings so that speed mph is not shown on the video files. :whistling:
     
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    I don't know about the legalities or otherwise of using dash cam in various countries but can say that from an investigative point of view there use is beyond measure.
    I was previously involved in such things and a number of jobs I dealt with involved dash cam footage.
    The dash cam footage was irrefutable and even the most adept solicitor/barrister would give up on their attempts to say their client didn't do it when presented with the footage.

    This prompted me to get a system fitted, fortunately I haven't had the need to provide anything yet but it is there just in case and am more than happy to provide the memory card to Police/Insurers if the occasion demands.

    the use has obviously got a bad name when individuals post ridiculous footage on line,
     
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    I have just fitted a road hawk, ultimately a cheap camera
    From my fitting I’d suggest

    Find a camera with capacitor power supply and WiFi connection
    Check SD slot position.
    Ensure you set the date corrects


    I hard wired mine allbeit I took my feed from the forum recommend, piggy back from the glove box light
    My camera has no power or battery capacitor, which I previously thought was a good idea.
    The stop start system on the car power cycles the camera and effectively switches off in static traffic, “not good”
    To resolve I managed to feed the original power socket to the dash power outlet (after much strip down with no wires on show)
    A camera with no power supply will not provide footage from car park impact (doh!)

    WiFi connection allows easier set up, allowing you to perfect the final mounting position and quickly retrieve data to your device without the need to remove SD card

    Sd slot, ensure this is accessible once the camera is mounted

    Setting the date allows for easier file identification and I guess will allow for date stamping your footage

    Ultimately, I’ll end up buying again and using the RoadHawk as a rear camera so not all wasteful

    I fully agree with blackrat that a camera is invaluable and you’ll never need it day to day until needed
     
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    @The CO - I very rarely refer to the recordings - fortunately I've never had the need.

    But a couple of times I've posted a saved clip of an Alpine pass or such. (Shh - don't tell the Austrians :whistle:)

    It automatically overwrites files when the disc is full - except for the protected files - they are automatically saved if there is a bump such as a collision or a big pothole - those files have to be manually deleted.

    If needed there is a save/record button which protects the previous 10 minutes and the next 10 too.

    Useful? - Yes in the same way as my Fire-Extinguisher and my First Aid Kit - I hope to never need them - but there if the situation arises.
     
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    We have them on both cars. Front only on the X6, front and rear on the 320d. I wish I'd had rear fitted to the X6 now, but one is better than none.

    I haven't had to use footage for any official reason and I hope I never will. But it's reassuring to know that recording is in progress should anything happen. Including broken roads and pot holes.

    I have recorded a few crazy driving stunts and dim witted errors in the last year. But since they didn't result in an accident they were automatically overwritten. When I dropped my X6 off a jack on my front drive, damaging the N/S sill and front door, the first thing the insurance company asked me was if I had dash cam footage.
     
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    And yet most Companies won't offer any additional discount if you have cameras fitted. Go figure, as our 'Murican cousins are wont to say.......:rolleyes:
     
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    I haven't come across any who offer a discount.
     
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    I've got them in all of our cars, my Mini has an Aukey and both the BMWs have Thinkware F770s in.
    I used to use mine a lot for advanced driver training video clips, ie showing the line through a bend, positioning for a hazard etc, and also like Singvogel for saving the odd 'spirited' drive on fun roads/tracks. Now its mainly for insurance against lying bar stewards following an incident.
     
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    I tell you what though, half of those problems that are posted up on compilations on YouTube are caused by the dashcammers in the first place. Just extraordinary.
     
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    We've got one local to us who keeps posting in facebook groups highlighting 'bad drivers and idiots', yet his own standards leave a lot to be desired. Frustrated traffic cop and judge dredd all rolled up in one package :)
     
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    It's the vigilante cyclists who ride the streets looking for 'victims' to film [and often abuse] who get my goat - what gives them the right....:rolleyes: Oh, I suppose that technically they're helmet cams, not dash cams.:oops:
     
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    This is why the fascination of watching these YouTube videos faded quickly for me. These idiots seem to have plenty of time to weave about, lean on their horns and swear at everyone, yet the nerve which connects the retina to the foot, feet or hand(s) that operates the brake seems to be constantly blocked. As for planning and anticipation, as John, Mogg and CO allude to above, the planning seems to be more about how to precipitate an incident than avoid it.

    I have some horrific and hilarious records of lousy driving on my SD card, including a couple by me! Yes, we all have our odd moments. Or is it just me? Why will you never see them posted on the net? That's easy. I have a life. What utterly dull, worthless and miserable lives some of these people must lead.
     
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    What with CCTV, dash cams, action cams, i Phones with selfie sticks etc. - every boring facet of our daily lives is being recorded. Sad really. :whistle:
     
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    Live on the continent and have done for 4 years. Drive a lot around Germany and Poland and frequent trips to the UK. Never been in Austria though.
    Never had a problem with my dashcam which is obviously mounted on windscreen as the cable hangs down. Been pulled by police for speeding a few times and they didn't bat an eyelid. I also don't have any of the warning triangles, light deflectors etc etc.
     

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