Going to take the plunge ........

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    Infrastructure study for carbon neutral..

    This is a huge infrastructure project. According to Scottish Power, the UK will need 25 million electric vehicle chargers by 2050. As of the time of writing, there are over 30,500 charging points at just under 11,000 locations, according to the website www.zap-map.com.


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    And 25 million wind turbines to power each charge point. :whistling:

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    Reading a couple of reviews on the i-pace, it seems the claimed range of 298 miles is actually an approximate 200 miles. That together with the very slow charging rates that you can encounter is sufficient to make an solely-electric power supply a no no.

    What's wrong with 200 miles. Well several times a year I enjoy a reasonably lengthy run. My last one of run of over 2000 miles, was completed with a 150 mile leg to the ferry, followed by a 400 mile leg afterwards, all on one tank of diesel. The last leg of 400 miles was completed in less than 6 hours, and included approximately 135 miles of motorway, 205 miles of major highways, 60 miles of narrow minor roads, 2 cities to navigate, and a quite a few towns and villages. When I arrived home the car was running on fumes, but hey you have to blow the cobwebs away sometimes. So no, an electric anything just won't cut the mustard.
     
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    Anyone that uses a laptop knows how battery life and efficiency declines. So a 200 miles range when new will quickly become 100 miles at 3 years old. Once that happens, the resale value of any EV will have fallen leading to substantial loss of capital. Until battery technology is improved, buying an EV could be a mistake.

    My diesel will still be capable of a 600 mile range per tank when it's 10 years old. :)
     
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    I did the maths on a Tesla before I bought my G30. 3 issues: (1) Practicality: my return commute is ~150 miles. In deep midwinter that is a challenge for a Tesla - no charging points at work. I frequently travel to the south coast, 230 miles away. I can do that trip non-stop in 4 hours in a diesel. (2) Cost per mile. Even with the steep depreciation curve of a new large diesel, it's 30% less on a pence per mile basis than a Tesla Model S over 4 years and 80k miles. (3) As @Mieke says, 3 years down the line (probably less given I do 20k+ miles a year) I'd need a new one or have to accept an additional hour or more each way on my commute. That's not happening.
     
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    These things are great for those who can make them work for themselves.. ie. Rich etc..
    But it’s just not there for me yet... my wife yes.., but then no... In her car we need to be able to move a large caravan. And it’s all just too unknown at the minute...I looked at the etron.. but as for towing no ones done any real studies about the massive load / drain and effects of that load on the long term capacity and condition effects on the batteries....


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    Oh
    And have you seen a supercharger yet, that you could pull up to with a trailer / caravan attached... because I haven’t...



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    None of my Hybrid Panamera's have ever reduced their battery capacity and between us we have had 5, 3 have reached 3 years.
    That said, I agree its probable longer term, although they don't have the "memory" effect old type mobiles/laptops used to have when just topping up constantly. A Porsche battery has 7 years warranty.

    I have gone through all the arguments you all give. Plus the noise of my current car is just amazing ( when the engines on).

    My only choice is based on personal tax on a company car, a Panamera GTS is regarded as the best option, here is the BIK I would PAY per year :

    BMW X4 2.0d (OTR £42K) £ 5881
    Panamera Hybrid ( OTR £107K) £ 9660
    Panamera GTS (OTR £105K) £ 15682
    Taycan 4S (OTR £105K) £ 6720
    Taycan Turbo (OTR £125K) £ 8000

    Thats my personal tax I would pay, not the "benefit", so 9 grand Per year less from my pocket in an equivalent ICE car.

    My options are sticking with a Panamera Hybrid, or a Taycan, choosing a full ICE engine is just a very expensive option for me.

    They Taycan we can claim 100% capital allowance in year one - essentially means we make more profit in year one - i earn more in year one, but that will even out in years 2 and 3...

    3 years? We buy them typically over three years, not a a lease, we can change when ever we want.
    We finance it over 3 years so we know the monthly cost of ownership, with a guaranteed value at the end. We have made on all of them, and my crashed one was valued just about £50 less than the O/S finance after 18 months.

    I am no tree hugger. Responsible yeah, but no environmental warrior. Financially I am just better off.
    If its not a company car then for certain its not really the best thing.

    The panamera Hybrid suits 95% of my needs, I would swap for a 911 hybrid if they ever made one. That would suit 50% of my needs so I would still need another car - such as the volvo. There is no hard ship using that car when I need a trip around Scotland or go to Lyon for example. So with the Taycan and a Volvo XC60 as her car we cover all our requirements and save a lot too.


    Now I am reaching for some popcorn and a bullet proof vest.

    And i would never pull a caravan. Ever. But thats a really good point.
     
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