Green Card possibly needed for mainland Europe soon.

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    This is not meant to be a political thread - but a heads up to a quite possible scenario after 29th March.

    And it's not any 'Project Fear' stuff either - I've been talking to my Insurance Company about it who say plans for this are well in hand.

    Many of us will be heading abroad over the Easter holidays.

    The school holidays start around 8th April.

    Most UK drivers haven't had need to think about insurance for European travel for many years as all our UK policies provide the minimum coverage for all of the EU/EEA and a few other countries that have signed up to the Council of Bureaux rules - namely Andorra, Croatia, Serbia and Switzerland.

    Croatia despite being in the EU is an odd case for reasons too complicated to explain here.

    So no need for a Green Card unless travelling to countries not covered above.

    But all that is about to change if, and I stress if, there is no Brexit deal.

    The international agreement gives only the minimum cover - equivalent to our Third Party Only.

    To have the same cover as in the UK if you have more than Third Party, you need to ensure that your particular insurance company either includes 'foreign-travel' at no extra cost or whether you need to opt for that extra facility and perhaps pay extra for it.

    Green Cards and/or extending full cover are NOT free from every Insurance Company.

    I travel regularly as far as Greece - transiting several countries some EU/EEA, some not, so have need for a Green Card every time.

    I'm just off the phone from talking to my Insurance company as I'm setting out for Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia in a couple of weeks - i.e before Brexit, and returning probably late April.

    They tell me that they have plans to issue Green Cards to anyone who requests them.

    Already many people have booked skiing trips for example over the Easter school holiday break which starts on 8th April.

    I think there ought to be a public information message to make folks aware of the possible need for a Green Card.

    So if anyone is heading off for a 'Spring Break' - they would be well advised to check it out.

    Edit: Just seen on another forum that this could apply to Republic of Ireland and possibly also The Channel Islands and Isle of Mann.
     
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    Radio report this am says that insurance premiums are likely to rise this year, so they ought to be in a position to issue them FOC :rolleyes:
     
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    Yesterday I was looking at getting an Irish passport and dual citizenship.
    My grandparents were born in Ireland so its do-able for me, just not so cheap and a faff, albeit might be less painful than hassle at immigration desk.
    We always get hassle at checking or customs - OH is dual Filipino/ French citizen- and soon to apply for settled status so def don't get in the queue behind us - a Filipino with a French passport going in and out of UK with settled status, god help us.
     
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    Since the beginning of September 2018 I've been receiving Brexit updates from HMG, all 873 of them, and counting. I don't read them all. But some I do, and find them illuminating, and it makes you realise how lazy most politicians and journalists are. Either too lazy to keep up-to-date, or ?

    I mention the updates just to explain that the following isn't something I picked up from the tabloids or twitter.

    If there's a deal, nothing changes, on the other hand, if there's no-deal after 29 March 2019:

    1. You would need a green card.
    2. You would need an International Driving Permit (IDP). There are three versions (1926IDP, 1948IDP, and 1968IDP). Which you need depends on where your driving. You may need all three.
    3. You won't have medical cover via the EHIC; it will no longer be valid for obvious reasons. For medical cover you'll have to take out insurance. I would: one 7 hour stay for an examination at my local hospital and I had a bill of 1000€ (which was covered thankfully); a neighbour collapsed with a suspected heart problem, initially taken to the nearest hospital, but then transported by helicopter to a specialist unit 100km away for an emergency procedure - goodness knows the cost. Everything is billed, transport (ambulance etc), specialists, nursing team (at the scene, in hospital), scans, drugs, food, hospital room, room cleaning, tv, everything. And depending on the situation, they will want your credit/debit card or insurance, before they procede. That's the way it works at the present time in France.
    4. Vehicles must display either a GB sticker or have registration plates with the GB logo. Plates with the Euro logo will not be valid. Time for a bit of gaffa tape.
    5. Accidents. UK residents involved in a road traffic accident in an EU or EEA country should not expect to be able to make a claim in respect of that accident via a UK-based Claims Representative or the UK Motor Insurers’ Bureau (MIB). Instead, UK residents involved in a road accident may need to bring a claim against either the driver or the insurer of the vehicle in the EU or EEA country where the accident happened. This may involve bringing the claim in the local language.

    In the event of an accident in an EU or EEA country caused by an uninsured or an untraced driver, UK residents may not receive compensation if there is no EU Exit deal. This will vary from country to country.

    If involved in a road traffic accident in an EU or EEA country, you may need to bring legal proceedings against either the responsible driver or the insurer of the vehicle in the EU or EEA (rather than is the current process, bringing legal proceedings in the UK against either the insurer or the MIB).

    6. Visas, money, and return tickets. If you are a British Citizen, you would not need a visa for short stays in the Schengen area or elsewhere in the EU. You would be able to stay for up to 90 days in any 180-day period. Visits to the Schengen area within the previous 180 days before your date of travel will count against the 90-day limit.

    If you are intending to stay in the Schengen area for longer than 90 days, or your stay would take you over the 90 days in the 180-day limit, you may need to get a visa before you travel.

    Travel to EU countries currently outside the Schengen area (Romania, Croatia, Bulgaria, Cyprus) would not count towards the 90-day total.

    On arrival in the Schengen area, you may be asked to confirm that you have sufficient funds available for the duration of your stay. As non-EU nationals, different border control checks will apply, and you may also be asked to show a return or onward ticket. UK nationals would not have an ongoing right to use the separate lanes provided for EU, EEA and Swiss nationals.

    7. This I'm not sure of this, but I'm from what I've read you could be charged VAT and duty on anything purchased in the EU that you import to the UK. The anything-to-declare queue.
     
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    Just received my Green Card for my motorhome insurance. Called the company to change address and we discussed the fact my van is currently in Germany and they proactively offered to send me a green card valid until end of insurance in July. I’ll be bringing the van back for its MOT in May and will decide what to do with it after that (whether take it back, store in U.K. or sell it.
     
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    i have just had an e mail from my insurance company today about this

    so looks like some insurance companies are preparing for this scenario
     
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    Just had an email from mine as well - AXA Insurance. But who knows what's going to happen in the next few days? :rolleyes: :whistling:
     
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    I was in Inverness today and saw 4 open-back Land Rovers with four troops in each. They were in full camo combat gear, inc helmets etc. Didn't see any guns though. :cautious:

    Also, and [probably co-incidentally] these last couple of days about six fast jets have been low-flying in the area. We do have a bombing range close by at Tain, and also get NATO maneuvers at Cape Wrath from time to time but none are currently scheduled.

    Just saying....:whistling:
     
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    Just received notice that some countries may also require a green card for any caravan or trailer that you are towing, ie one for the car and another for the trailer. Happy days.
     
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    An advanced force of the new European Army? :whistle:
     
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    The UK is unusual in that there is no compulsory registration for private trailer/caravans/horse-boxes etc. as there is in most other European countries.

    AFAIK at the moment the new rules only apply to commercial trailers over 750Kg and any private caravan/trailer over 3500Kg so it's likely that not many on here will be affected.

    Registering your trailer with the DVLA means fitting a number plate allocated by them so different from the towing vehicle.

    There is even an on-line application form for registering trailers.

    You can voluntarily register any size of trailer.

    https://dvladigital.blog.gov.uk/201...-trailer-to-take-it-abroad-service-goes-live/

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/trailer-registration

    Happy Days as @Highsided has said - or is it more like Happy Daze? :rolleyes:
     
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