Laser Eye Surgery

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    I just wondered whether anyone on here has had laser eye surgery to correct their vision? A friend and fellow motorcyclist, Hamish, is a retired 75 year old, and he's never needed to wear glasses up until a couple of years ago when his vision started to deteriorate. He ended up having replacement lens surgery at Optical Express on both eyes (a few months apart). He's delighted with the results and now has 20/20 vision again. He did have a scare when he had the second eye done. When he woke up the next day and removed the dressings, he found that he was blind in that eye. :eek: Rather a shock, and the consultant at Optical Express was also concerned, but after 48 hours of rest, his vision came back, and within a week was perfect.

    I'm in a similar position. I've never worn glasses (apart from office work on a computer) and up until about 5 years ago, I had 20/20 vision. But over the last couple of years, one of my eyes has deteriorated after a bout of viral conjunctivitis. My other eye is still perfect. So I've been thinking about the option of surgery at Optical Express. Apart from the risk involved, there's also the cost, which is considerable. Hamish paid £3500 for each eye, making a total of £7000, which is rather a lot. :oops:

    I've had a look at the online feedback and reviews for Optical Express, and it appears to be split between 5 stars with delighted customers, but also many entries for only 1 star where people have been very dissatisfied, with the odd one saying that it has made their vision much worse. o_O

    So I would be interested in anyone else's experience. I'm not considering it too seriously at the moment, as much for the cost than anything. Even for one eye, it would be hard to justify that kind of expenditure.

    Any thoughts?
     
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    I had it done by Optical Express, both eyes. I had up until then been wearing two pairs of specs, one for reading and the others for driving, tv, etc After the procedures, no glasses and 20:20 vision.

    I was very happy with the results, but don't believe the 'hook' price advertised. That's the very basic job and by the time you go for the top spec [excuse the pun :whistle:] it costs a lot more. Iirc, mine cost c. £1800 for both. I suppose it depends on prescription etc. :unsure:

    Sadly, other health issues came along which affected one eye, and ageing eventually caused other problems in both. Would I do it again if I was transported back to then? Yes.

    But, it's ultimately your eyes and a decision you alone can make, of course.
     
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    An old work colleague of mine had it done and has never looked back , (pardon the pun ) 20-20 vision again and no more glasses . After years of seeing him wearing glasses it s quite a transformation , and he does nt like it when I tell him he looks like an Albino now he s had it done :p. Seriously though , get it done , if my eyes go, I certainly would .:)
     
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    @slim_boy_fat Just out of interest, what treatment did you have? Was it lens replacement surgery, or just laser treatment?

    My friend Hamish, had lens replacement on both his eyes. They gave him the option of fixed focal length lenses, one eye for near vision and the other for distance, but he opted for vari-focal lenses in each eye which gives him perfect vision near and far. He says it works very well.

    I'll do a bit more research and go for a full eye test with a local optician before I make a decision. The laser treatment sounds like a good option. I've never worn glasses and would like to avoid them, especially when riding a motorcycle.
     
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    Laser back then. Although I've had lens replacement in both eyes in the last 7 months because of cataracts [age cometh not alone :oops:]
     
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    Laser treatment will give you perfect vision - for a while - as no-one can say for how long.

    It will correct what needs to be corrected right now - but will not prevent your eyes aging.

    So it means that you have to be prepared for further treatments in ? years time.

    If you have never needed glasses then the prospect of reaching a stage where some correction is needed can be something to dread.

    I've worn glasses since the age of 7 - being short-sighted. Contact lenses were a no-no as I worked in dusty environments.

    About 10 years ago I reached the stage where I was constantly removing the glasses to read small print - that's due to natural ageing and almost everyone will suffer from that eventually.

    I also had difficulty re-focussing from looking at the road ahead to glance at instrument dials or select a different radio station/ or check the SatNav

    Carrying two pairs of glasses was impractical and a horror prospect for me so I've had variable lenses for a long time now.

    Not all variable lenses are created equal - mine have a specification for reading and long distance as most have - but I have a zone for computer screen distance, and extra zones for peripheral vision.

    I do have two pairs of glasses though -

    My main pair have the latest Hoya EnRoute Pro lens developed specially for drivers - I wear them all day whatever I'm doing - they are great at night.

    I went for the Pro version.

    https://www.hoyavision.com/my/discover-products/for-eye-care-professionals/special-lenses2/enroute/

    "EnRoute Pro is a personalised lens design which is tailored to your individual eyes and your lifestyle. Offering all the benefits of EnRoute, Pro has a contrast enhancing filter and is further optimised for the viewing distance to the dashboard and mirrors."

    In my opinion they are better than the Zeiss equivalent called DriveSafe.

    My other glasses are prescription 'sunglasses - to the same variable spec but graded from dark to light brown.

    My eyesight is still changing - albeit slowly - I need a new prescription every 5 years or so.

    I asked my ophthalmologist if laser treatment was a viable option and his advice was yes - if I wanted to have further laser treatment every few years - just the same as renewing my prescription.

    I would actually like to talk to someone aged over 55 or over who had laser treatment 5 to 10 years ago to ask how good their sight is now.
     
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    @Singvogel that detailed and in depth account is food for thought. I shall give it careful consideration.

    As I mentioned previously, I've never worn glasses except in a office environment, working on computers under artificial light. I did use minimum strength reading glasses at nighttime when reading with a table lamp in recent years. Strangely though, I rarely need to use glasses for reading now and can manage well, even with the smallest print. I think that this is due to change in my left eye that has deteriorated for distance vision.

    No doubt the optician will give the diagnosis once I arrange an eye test.
     
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    Hats off to you guys who have had this done, my opticians keeps on about me having contact lenses rather than glasses, i keep tell him no, the chances of me putting a contact lenses in my eyes is zero.... the sheer thought of it puts me off completely, i'd much rather have glasses.

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    An acquaintance of mine has had varifocal lens replacement surgery because he had cataracts in both eyes. He finds them very good, he doesn't need glasses now for either distance or reading, although I guess this could change over time. He's in his 70's now, so would expect to need glasses for close work if he still had his natural lenses (or the fixed focal length ones available on the NHS to treat cataracts). I guess he could need glasses in the future if his eyes change. I don't know how the varifocal lenses work, he says that he does not consciously have to look down to read, as you do with normal varifocal spectacles.

    I was interested to hear about the Hoya Enroute lenses. I have Zeiss lenses in both my 'standard' varifocals and my driving varifocals. The standard ones are +2.5 in the close-up zone and my driving ones are +1.5 in the close-up zone (to suit dashboard viewing distance). I don't know whether they are the 'Drive Safe' version though. My optician didn't mention this. I think they are the 'Progressive Individual 2' lenses. I had Kodak lenses in my first pair of varifocals, but I didn't get on with these very well, I found the viewing zones to be too small.
     
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    Some years ago I was interested but they said that for Astigmatism you could have laser treatment. When I went last year I asked again and apparently you can now. I am still thinking about it.

    Last year I went down contact lenses route, but really only for football. I have given up on them as I just cant get them in easily - which is me rather than the lenses, but prob once a week isn't enough to get skilled at it.

    My eyes are also getting worse, noticeably when i take my glasses off things seem even more blurred and hard to read.

    Since the MR2 I have found glasses to be really frustrating, laid underneath with inches to spare having to position my head at right angle to get positioned for closest vision.

    I have had varifocal lenses for a long time, and I find them really good, its only rare when i notice I am tilting my head, such as under the MR2. Reading i don't notice.
    But varifocal lenses replacement sounds interesting, Maybe its what the optician was on about for astigmatism
     
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    I have an astigmatism and wear lenses everyday. I went for a lasereye surgery consultation but I'm still not decided. Friends whi have had it say it's the best money they ever spent.

    Not cheap though, I was quoted over 4k

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    My wife had laser eye surgery about 10 years ago at Vision Express on both eyes at the age of 40. Back then it was about £4.5K. The operation was a success but after about 4 years she had to start wearing glasses again for reading and now has to wear them again pretty much full time. Several of her friends have also had it done and had similar experiences..
     
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    One of the reasons I'm considering the laser surgery option, is that I ride a motorcycle quite a lot in summer. I know from just using sun glasses that it can be a nuisance every time you need to remove a full face helmet. Plus the fact that I've never been used to wearing glasses anyway.

    I'm going to leave it a while before I make any decision, just to make sure that my eye test prescription remains stable. No point in spending a lot of money if the solution only lasts a short time. I think that I would be happy with 10 years though.
     
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    That is exactly what my optometrist and ophthalmologist predicted for me.
     
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    My distance vision is still quite good but find it difficult to read the instruments and i-drive, so I wear spectacles. With some varifocals peripheral vision is out of focus; this may apply to most or all, I've no idea. It certainly applies to the two pair that I own, and I find it a nuisance (and maybe a danger) that I need to turn my head to make full use of either wing-mirror.

    So I opted for bi-focals. I've two pair: one with clear glass, and the other pair polarised. The polarised make a big difference whenever there is reflected sunlight, such as on wet roads; obviously they are not suitable for use in poor light.
     
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    That is/was my experience too.

    However the two lenses I mentioned - both Hoya EnRoute Pro and the Zeiss DriveSafe - have extra areas dedicated to left and right peripheral vision.

    So no need for any exaggerated head movements to check the door mirrors.

    I had those kind of problems with the first couple of pairs of varifocal / progressive lenses I had and complained bitterly that they were not ideal for driving.

    I would recommend the Hoya Enroute as a tad better than the Zeiss.

    For anyone worried about spending a fair bit of cash on glasses they may not like or not get accustomed to easily, almost all opticians will offer to exchange them for conventional lenses after a fair trial of a couple of months.

    When I first bought varifocals I initially found myself cursing at having wasted money on them as they were so strange compared to my 'normal' single vision lenses.

    That feeling lasted for less than 2 days - then i was cursing myself for not having moved to varifocals much earlier.

    The other comments I would make is that photochromatic lenses don't work that well behind a tinted windscreen, and be sure to get a non-reflecting scratchproof coating to the lenses.
     
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    Honestly, I really don't notice it with varifocals. Seems to be the other way with me.
    Maybe I am just used to it now.
    I do notice a difference with my single lenses sunglasses, it feels uncomfortable for a minute or so.
     
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    Make sure you get the full surgery records if you do have Laser surgery (approx 26 pages if Optical express) as you will need them if you ever need cataract surgery....

    Both I and my wife had laser surgery via Optical Express in 2008/2010 and it was successful, but obviously does not avoid age related reading glasses.
    Last year my wife had trouble with her glasses and the Optician confirmed she had cataracts in both eyes that we could get resolved via work health insurance (or wait approx a year and they would be bad enough to meet the NHS criteria). The reason for this post though is that if you have had wavefront laser (which most opt for as it helps avoid night glare) then the algorithm used by the ophthalmic consultant to calculate the replacement lens is different. I don't understand why, but the data/prescription from Specsavers gives one lens calculation and if the full clinical data from the laser surgery is factored in it gives a different value.....in the case of my wife this was a 1 dioptre difference. A 'good' cateract surgery is one where the resultant prescription is +/- 2 dioptres.....the surgeon opted for a lens half way between the two calculations and my wife's post op distance prescription is -0.5 (i.e. good enough not to need glasses other than for reading)

    We did not have the required Optical express clinical data, but phoned them up and they said we needed to do a Subject Access request (SAR) to get this (they were used to this and had a very efficient process). Timeline.....initial call with Optical Express 0930 in the morning, received email with template a few hours later, filled it in, scanned and emailed back after work (17:45). Got a call from their compliance team about 30mins later (the consultant appt was the next day!) and they agreed to password protect a PDF document and get it to my wife by 10am the next day, which they did. Their normal process is to send the info signed for next day delivery (which they also did).
    Given that I was told I had the first signs of cataract at my last eye check, I then did my SARs request for my data so that I have the info for a future day.

    Key point, if you have laser surgery make sure you get the full records (we were never given them at the time). If you have had it done previously, contact your provider and invoke the SARs process. they should hold the records for at least 15 years.

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