M3 and M4 due in September.

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    The 'brand-new' M3 and M4 are in the final stages of testing at the Sachsenring ahead of their unveiling in September 2020.

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    No tech spec yet?
     
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    M cars weren't specifically mentioned at the AGM / shareholders' meeting regards forthcoming new models.

    Nor in any of the press releases until yesterday when they announced this along with the pics:.

    All M3 models (and M4 models, which share its technical packages) will use BMW’s S58 turbocharged in-line six-cylinder engine in one of two outputs – 473bhp and 503bhp. These power figures correlate to standard M3 and M3 Competition models like others in the BMW M range, but rather than just differing in power the models also diverge in their transmission options. Standard 473bhp M3 models will be available exclusively with a six-speed manual transmission, while the 503bhp Competition models will utilise an eight-speed torque-converter automatic transmission. Both models will share a 442lb ft peak torque figure.

    They also announced a completely new product - BMW face masks - for all employees and members of the public if sufficient demand.

    My car goes in for new brake pads next week - I'll see if I get a complimentary face-mask then.

    Maybe it'll have an M logo on it. :D
     
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    Loving the individual paint scheme, not sure if the black wheels go, the grilles appear less prominent, though does shout aftermarket mesh, though thinking they most of run out as never finished the n/s
     
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    I was watching a YouTube clip of the M340i v Audi RS4 touring last night, thinking the RS4 would be head and shoulders above the M340i in terms of performance. Given the raw figures I was expecting a whitewash, interesting seeing the result.
    Made me reassess my thoughts on the S Audi versions, the “standard” S models, although potent enough, clearly don’t stack up against the full fat M models. More the RS versions I’d think.

    I’ve always had a hankering for an M4, it just looks/sounds epic, and has vaguely reasonable running costs for a performance car. Possibly the 440i might be a decent prospect in 2021...
    Looking forward to seeing the new M3/4 in the metal, I think.


     
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    Yes it’s an interesting comparison. I have driven both also. In the video the RS4 gearbox was slow to react, but you do have to ask how relevant the car wow tests actually are to how you will drive the car. SS 1/4 mile is now more about traction due to high power outputs and that isn’t really reflective of how many of us drive.

    Car wow are missing an opportunity for some sort of “fast road circuit” to test cars on.

    My experience of driving both, was that the RS4 is very much a day to day car that you could easily drive all day in and because of this, it lacks excitement. The suspension seemed a bit soft to me and it lacked the raw edge of something like an M3 competition (which I reference, as my wife has one).

    The M340i has good traction and is pretty quick, but is definitely not as fast as an M3. It also feels much less special.

    I chose the C63S T model as I needed an estate, it has superb performance and the fact that it’s not 4WD makes it more exciting to drive. It feels more special than both the RS4 and the M340i. The SS 1/4 mile time wouldn’t be much quicker than the M340i because of the traction differences, but a proper performance comparison would reveal the big difference that exists, rightly so when you consider the cost differential.

    That said, the M340i would suffice for most people for most of the time, it just lacks that special feel you get in a true M car or AMG (but is of course cheaper).


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    Let's just hope they don't use their normal designer for the grills. :whistle:
     
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    I take carwow tests with a pinch of salt. How the hell they have over 3 million subscribers is beyond me. The tests are crap. Harrys garage and carfection for me, carwow not even in the same universe!!
     
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    Their obsession with huge over size grilles continues unfortunately (n)

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    That Audi BMW video blew my mind. You read about half or quarter second advantage for 0 to 60, but now I realise you can gain that back by having a better launch control.

    Given the move of more and more performance cars to go hybrid, I wonder if this is the last combustion engine M3.
     
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    What happened to car tests where they gave you lots of in-gear acceleration times? I can’t remember which magazine it was that gave lots of times and speeds - was it Autocar?

    Wasn’t 30-50 and 30 - 70 more a true reflection of performance?

    As you have said, the 0-62mph is now about launch control and grip, so less meaningful.


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    Who does drag races in the course of their 'normal' usage? Precious few, I'd wager. As @535i MSport says ^^, in-gear acceleration figures would be more telling, surely.
     
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    Drag race? Me? Never....
     
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    The good old days of real testing. 30 - 70mph through the gears and 50 - 70mph in top gear, real world performance and engine flexibility.

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    Yes! That’s it!


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    The data we used to chew over.

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    Looks like a 528i


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    Yes, the then new E39 528i. Was a very positive road test/review at the time, the E39 lived up to the headline... "New 5-series so close to perfect".

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    I owned a genuine ex works 1293cc Mini Copper S in the 1970's. It was very light and geared down - about 5 seconds 0 - 60. I left one or two Jaguar E types like they were standing still at the lights. :D
     
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