Porsche vs X5 or similar... is it really worth it.?

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    Quick question
    ( Duncan doesn’t need to reply, he’s biased too far the Porsche way already ..!)

    We need to look this summer at possibly changing the 640d from coupe, to dog carrying , caravan moving suv...8 series is not an option btw..

    So the shortlist was nearly new/demo X5/ Q8... but at that money are they worth it ( £52-55k ) compared to say a nearly new (6 months old) Cayenne with some option and toys... £61.5k
    Not decided on pcp or hp... we could do either..

    So my question is, is the Porsche worth the premium... it is petrol 3.0 only... what’s the mpg gonna be here.. servicing is not included.. 20k minor, 40k major.. ( how much is that going to be.?)
    £2k for a towbar, which we will definitely have to pay for ourselves..
    And we’ve been told the price we see will be the price we pay, or thereabouts... virtually no wriggle room for bartering..
    we have been dealing with jct600 Sheffield... so far, ( Rich would you suggest talking to someone at Leeds..?)
    Macan is out... my wife doesn’t like it, she’s not bothered about the cayenne coupe either...prefers the standard model..
    So is it worth the cost to be part of Porsche ownership or not... or should I just go and organise an X5... and be done with it..?
    We tend to keep our cars for 75-80k miles and around 6 years.. for what it’s worth..
    We did drive and like the Q8, but as indicated on carwow, there is some major throttle, gearbox lag on kick down, for overtaking, and I don’t know if I could live with that flaw... it’s there in all Driving Modes, but it’s not ruled out yet..£63k was a pre reg 69 plate with 40 miles in s line trim..

    Thoughts please..
    Thanks guys
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    my 2 cents for what its worth.

    I have nothing bad to say about our old Cayenne, if I am honest it was abused by us it travelled to Europe multiple times in all weathers and just took it on the chin, short horrible journeys, jumping in fields, doughnuts etc

    Plus points on the car -

    • Very comfortable done huge amounts distance and felt totally fine
    • Low road noise
    • Reliable ( Yes it really was never failed to start )
    • 4wd system was actually really good
    • Steering was light and very sharp
    • Depending on the engine you get it will potentially be ballistic

    I love Porsche and I WILL own another at some point maybe even after the wifes Q5 has done its work ill stick her in another Cayenne,

    I drove her parents X5 and didn't like the drive or the heavy steering

    Of the cars you have on the list myself personally I would be going for the Porsche.
     
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    Interesting question and of course the easy answer would be to drive both, see which one you prefer and go for it but sometimes it ain't that easy. I was a gnat's teste away from buying a Macan GTS but the nagging doubt was the fuel economy. Now this isn't usually one of my biggest concerns but as I do regular trips between the UK and Croatia I could see it becoming an issue once the novelty of being back in a Porsche had worn off (I say 'worn off' but not sure a Porsche can ever wear off you but you know what I mean). If you do regular long trips this might be the same thing for you. Q8 has had some really good reviews, is that worth looking at?
     
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    Thks guys
    I am conscious of the fuel economy..
    We too can do big trips as you say.. and it could have considerable cost implications...
    We did drive the Q8... see my post above.. it was good and capable but not great with really slow gearbox / throttle response... regardless of sport or dynamic setting... I have wondered if the response or lack of it could be programmed out of the gearbox.? By someone smart like Bishbosh..
    and so I don’t know if I could ever come to forgive it for that.. would it now just bug the hell out of me, ever time I put my foot down to overtake and I had to wait 1.5 seconds..( it’s much more pronounced when you actually drive the thing.)


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    Apologies re the Q8, I did read your post - honest! I had the same problem with a diesel Macan, the lag was horrendous from standstill. Mind you the RRS has its moments as well. Talking of JLR stuff, have you looked at the Discovery? I had one for a week and it surprised me how functional and capable it was, much better than I thought it would be. Not the most dynamic of beasts, admittedly.
     
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    Yeah....
    I’d love one and some of my mates have got them..., none are older or kept beyond 3 years old.... but incl’ yourself it’s just one bad story after another... I am just not going there: end of... that’s the decision made..despite being some of the best in terms of visual appeal..
    It’s gonna be German... end of..

    2019 velar... disaster that jlr can’t fix . All sorts wrong... my mate wants his money back.., dream in there..!

    2019 disco... couple of issues plus 3 months at dealers due leaking windscreen.. they used a bad batch of sealant... my mate actually got an xc90 out of jlr, as a loaner which he said apart from 2.0 not 3.0 was better..
    His previous disco had suspension failure... just under 3 years old..

    2019 FFRR, electrical towbar failure in France... wouldn’t deploy..couldn’t tow caravan home at end of hols..

    2019 velar.. eng management light on intermittent and keeps going into limp mode... jlr day they can’t look at til Deb this year... owner fuming..

    And then you yourself..

    All of this makes me feel sick tbh.. bearing in mind the cost..


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    2019 velar ... eng management light on.
    Not going into jlr TIL feb 2020..


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    Whaaaaat!

    Are they that busy :ranting:
     
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    Hi Al Coming from my 640d, I was looking at an M6 almost about to sign up, 10/15 mins into a test drive of a Panamera my biz partner was going to buy, I was sold.
    Its just a different level. M6 clearly faster etc, but overall the Porsche is such a step up.

    Honestly apart from everythign about the car (quality/performance), I like the kudos, this morning going past some kids turned the engine on and loud and they loved it. Its every day.

    It just provides a much more pleasurable experience all round. Its special, its known to be special, and not just A N Other. (sorry to everyone else - i do love my lads BMW too)

    If you can turn a blind eye to the increased costs. Or look at this way, if you think a Cayenne will cost you £1000 a year more than an X5/Q8, You need to think is that worth that to YOU. If its £1000 per year - £3 per day for a Porsche, run to the dealer lol.

    Shame about the Macan, I am the other way, love them, not keen on the look of the front of a Cayenne.

    Leeds are a bit crap, we have never actually bought from Leeds, we have even cancelled because they lied about delivery times and added 3 months within 15 mins of me paying deposits for 2.
    They maybe better on used. As a result we bought from JCT Newcastle first, but have bought from Hatfield since. Hatfield are Porsche owned and brilliant, and known to be one of the best dealers. Duncans came from there too - he may have the used car contact that might help you get a discount. We use George Fitzgerald.


    Unfortunately they don't need to budge on price, they will sell every car they have. Easiest job in the world we say - Porsche salesman.
    They control sales number per country to keep manage supply and demand to keep the prices up.

    Go for the Porsche, you will love it, and if you don't for whatever reason you can always change it. Make sure you get a warranty, you might not need it, but obviously some things are not cheap. Servicing seems surprisingly comparable to us, albeit we have never gone over 40k miles in them.
     
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    you can have that with Porsche unfortunately too.
     
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    Tough choice, there are so many options out there. I was determined to get into a Porsche but I just couldn't make it work for our needs. First choice was a Panamera but dog won't fit or at least not to the point that wife was happy so that was out (Sport Turismo out of budget sadly). Macan was oddly too small although a lovely drive and I just couldn't get to love the Cayenne, there was something about it that I just couldn't get really excited about. The RRS is great, when it works, and the frau likes it so that's what we plumped for in the end. I'm afraid I wasn't sold on the new X3 and the last gen of X5, I just find the styling really clumsy. Shame really.
     
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    I’d drive them both, blind folded if that’s possible,
    I find the drive will answer all questions, just make sure it’s long enough and on your chosen route, the only concern/reservation I’d have with Porsche is the option list and need to spend to spec
    Whilst there is concerns on Porsche gearboxes, in reality it’s negligible but does negate an active warranty
    My next change shall hopefully be a Porsche, but, I need the wife on side to make viable, they are a cut above and understandably addictive!
     
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    When I bought mine last June I was offered £2k off a pre reg Macan without too much problem. I regularly see that sort of discount on the Porsche forum being mentioned. Servicing is not too bad, I’ve not had a service yet but my mate has a Macan that’s just had the 40k mile service including gearbox service and brakes, it was £640 all in. The warranty is far cheaper than BMW’s, I paid £1440 for two years with no excess. However, it’s had a gearbox leak and a new transfer box in the last three months and it’s only done 15k miles since new. But, I find the dealer to be spot on, always calls back and always do what they say (Porsche Guildford), can’t rate them highly enough. So much better than BMW dealers.
    I had a cayenne S 68 reg as a courtesy car, it only had a couple of thousand on the clock and I did not like it much. Party because the newer 2.9 litre VW engine is soulless, even compared to my diesel, I think they may have lost their way a little and the forums confirm that. Having said that it is a far nicer car than the X5 (I had one of those for two weeks last summer). My advise would be to get the GTS with sports exhaust to cure the personality problem.
    You do get quite a lot of kit with Porsche but silly things that you think are standard are not. Mine has £24k worth of options, making it £70k and that is too much for a smallish SUV.
    But, but, but, oh the experience of driving a Porsche is just something else. Far better than any of the 12 BMW’s I’ve owned and an absolute joy to drive, and soooo comfortable.
    Just make sure you get heated seats as they are not standard!

    In summary, Porsche any day of the week.
     
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    Hi I was looking at the w/e for a replacement for the wifes Gran tourer , called in at the local Mercedes dealer which had a 2018 Cayenne 3.0 petrol in only 10000 miles and 40k which is fairly cheap considering the mileage , oh what a let down ! the car seems very dated , small inside compared to the X5 F15 that I have at the moment .
    I also have a 2008 Boxster which is where you may be better off putting the extra money into if you choose the G05 X5 , I test drove a 30d on 22" wheels when they first came out & have to say it drove more like a Range Rover than a X5 which I didnt like , it is the only car the wife felt sick in . The 50d runs different suspension to the 30d so I would have a go in them back to back to see which one you like ! The interior and toys are far superior to the F15 and Cayenne in my opinion , take a Cayenne out after test driving the other 2 . As for value you can get the G05 on the BMW website for a 2019 for 44k with a couple of thousand miles which to me seems a great deal as they have lost the initial depreciation and are still under a 3 year warranty .
    Good luck with your choice !
     
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    Cheers for all the info guys
    Your input is gratefully received which I why I asked, you...
    Test drive this weekend all being well alongside the x5 if we can arrange it...
    It’s getting your head around the premium ... and if it’s worth it..
    Ultimately, despite everything that’s been said above... my head is with the X5..... At the moment..
    Less than 50k buys you one, with <10k miles...sunroof, sound, comfort seats, air suspension etc..
    £61k needed for the porsche... with no air suspension..
    The residuals after 5 years are within 5k of each other..then there’s the added costs to the Porsche.. £800 in fuel p/a, servicing, insurance..etc... it just doesn’t seem to add up... so unless it drives extremely special to the x5 it most likely may not happen..
    NOW, if I was going in for what I really wanted... a 718.., that would be a different story... it’s a Porsche that I really want.. I really like with reasonable running costs and incredibly slow depreciation... but it doesn’t carry the dog, kayaks, nor pull a caravan...
    Yes I would REALLY LIKE to be in the Porsche club... In many ways I can afford to be in the Porsche club... but I don’t want to be be joining by buying the wrong car.....?

    Before anyone mentions it... my wife will not have me buying a Lower priced cayman/718, and me pulling the caravan with something else..( merc estate etc etc)
    She wants to go on holiday and do the whole job with 1 car... that is a premium brand that does everything... ( don’t forget, though, she also thinks the macan is just like a big golf..)
    Women eh..
    Happy wife and happy life and all that.. she will decide in the end..


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    I am probably lighting the blue touch paper here but if you really need an SUV I would get the X5 and then an older 6 cylinder Boxster or Cayman as a weekend toy. With all due respect to the Macan / Cayenne owners I just don't get the whole Porsche SUV thing and I have driven them. The sports cars are the real deal and with both my kids now at university I think my mid life crisis can finally be indulged with the 640d and my garage queen 944 replaced with a full fat 991.
     
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    I ordered a Macan and then cancelled and one of the reasons was the Porsche image - I know the poster above says it makes people look and makes him feel special but I dont want people to look, want to be under the radar unless I want to be noticed....

    What do you tow, how often and what kerb weight do you need to pull? Son in Law has a GLC 43 Premium Plus with air suspension coming soon - that might tick all of your boxes if you dont need the space of the Cayenne?
     
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    1700 kg caravan
    Not towed often... so needs to be around at least 1900 kg kerb weight..
    I like the glc externally, but it still has an iPad stuck to the dash internally...which I hate.. I like things integrated..
    GLE is better now, but looks like a barge externally and is too. If for my wife..IMO...


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    Really useful thread..I'm toying with getting a Porsche in a couple of years for my 60th....and already have approval from the wife .
     
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    Discovery is far and away the best tow car....

    As for the iPad, my SQ5 had something similar that people complained about but it doesnt seem that different in BMW to be honest, a screen stuck in the middle of the dash...

    SQ7 V8 diesel would be my choice, slightly over budget but £65k ought to get you in one new enough....

    I'm not sure the Cayenne is floating your boat enough to compensate for the additional costs that you would get. Plus touch screens really dont do it for me....

    X5 it is then...
     

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